All “semitones” options for all micro looper effects not working correctly when doing parameter locking on sequencer?
Steps to Reproduce
Add any effect from the micro looper section
Put some places down on the sequencer
Now do some parameter locking with the semitones option
Anything in the minus range like -3, -6, -12 seems to work fine but when you go p-lock anything in the + range like +3, +6, +12, they don’t seem to work when p-locking and the sequencer is running. However it does seem to work when sequencer isn’t running?
The higher range will work if for example you hold 1st step and then press on 4th step so that 1st step plays over all 4 steps and then parameter lock it. Parameter lock just won’t work in higher range if one step is chosen each.
Hi @BROCKSTAR! Thank you for reporting this issue.
It seems that this behaviour works as intended.
In some cases, if you p-lock a lot of single steps, the Speed of the Micro looper needs to be <1.
In such a case, Speed >= 1 may cause the Micro Looper to not activate on that specific Step.
As a workaround, please try changing the Speed for each p-locked Step, and let me know if it helps.
Hello, I don’t understand why it would do that though? We can do the same with the pitch effects and they work correctly, so I would assume all of the effects under micro looper should work the same?
If it’s working ‘as intended’, would someone mind explaining the intent in the context of a user? How this reported issue with inconsistency as a product of speed and interval is more desirable than having it behave consistently regardless of pitch interval or speed?
While using the Micro Looper with Playback, each step triggers a new recording.
Each recording takes a fraction of time.
If a playback jumps to a new step before it managed to Record and Loop, it will sound as if nothing happened.
That’s why either we have to set longer steps, and not pack them so tightly, or change the Speed < 1.
As for the Semitones, the values with positive numbers are a bit stretched compared to the negative ones, and it takes a little longer to record and loop. That’s why in really packed scenarios, they will not have enough time to do the whole cycle.
Please give it a try and let me know if it’s clear.
Thank you for the info. However I’m still not sure why Semitones seem to work correctly for pitch shifter type effects though, and not micro looper? I would think if it’s working for the pitch stuff fine, that it should for the micro looper but maybe due to different effect structures and of course micro looper doing looping things etc.. perhaps that is why.
I will try the info you suggested and try to remember it lol. However if you all at polyend could still take a look at it when you have time and see if you all can possibly fix it to be a bit better and work like the pitch effects, that could be nice!
Exactly! The Pitch shifter doesn’t have to record and play the signal it receives. That’s why it doesn’t have this issue.
The Devs are fully aware of this behaviour, and they will look into it if possible. Can’t promise anything at the moment though
I will close this topic in a week’s time, but let me know if something comes up, and I will open it again.
Before you close it, let me frame this in some extra context. I’ve ended up paying for the Mess pedal after also purchasing and moving on from the following pedals that also offer arpeggiation:
Eventide Pitchfactor - the presets weren’t editable unless by some faffing with remote CC messages. Boss SY200 bass synth pedal - it did arpeggiation but the presets weren’t editable.
Adrenalinn III - didn’t do pitch shifted notes, only phase shifted. Cooper Moment Machine - It did 16 step sequences but no ADSR per step which meant that two consecutive steps at the same pitch ended up becoming one step of the same pitch and twice the length. Good UI though. Alexander Colour Theory - It did 16 step sequences but no ADSR per step which meant that two consecutive steps at the same pitch ended up becoming one step of the same pitch and twice the length. And the UI required knowledge of a code of flashing and colours of LED. Matt, the owner, mentioned the Mess pedal to me so props to him for his altruism.
For the Colour Theory and Moments Machine, the quality of the note wasn’t an issue for them. Maybe they didn’t care. Neither do I particularly because I’m running my Mess to push a bass synth pedal so whatever the output is, so long as the bass synth pedal detects the right pitch and step duration then I’m good
