Let's talk UI for synth editing

Hi!

So can this be improved please

On the Tracker +
Toggle mode for the pads to switch from note input to synth editing menus with synth diagram GUI on the screen

so every option is lit up on the pad in arranged section OSC ENVL AMP FILT MOD with unlit pads between section

so say the OSC section for FAT
[Osc Fatness] [Osc Brightness] [Osc style]
[Osc Timbre] [Oscillator style]

would light up like

Next
Osc LFO Amt] [Amount LFO applied]
and next
Oscillator Noise 0-100% Amount of Noise applied
Oscillator Reset Options On or Off. On,

so the whole OSC section woul look lit up pads like



So instead of menu scrolling on LCD you’d have synth GUI that would follow the pad shortcuts ..

(usually we edit the sounds as they play back.. so this is thought to be used as the sequence plays .. if you need to use the pads to play notes you just toggle it back to keyboard mode

Something similar could be done with Play (?) thoughts ..

Also DWA synth would be lovely on the Play as well as a autosampler script that would automatically assign the resampled track to a variation.

Fine tune should be on all OSC it’s a VIP.
Drum mutes for Perc on the tracker would be useful
Please share ideas ..
Thx!

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Some really great ideas here and I hope a great discussion follows. A friendly reminder that once thought out and you feel it’s properly drafted, you’ll need to put in a Feature Request if you would like it as consideration in a future firmware.

All the best!

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Love this idea. I might be mistaken, but from my understanding the 30mb of space might be an issue with implementing this on the play/play+. Really, any improvement to bring the editing process to the foreground would be gladly welcomed, imo. I did write up a request for a computer based editor for the play, seeing as the intention behind it is to do editing and design on a computer, then bring it to the play afterward.

https://backstage.polyend.com/t/software-editor-for-play-play/20270?u=origami_poltergeist

I have the tracker mini as well and really love it’s workflow. I recently mapped out as many of the CC’s that are available for it to a launchkey mk3, and that has simplified so much of my synth editing workflow. So if you have an external midi device with enough faders/encoders, then there is a bit of a workaround to make synth editing a little more tactile. I’d love to see this kind of function on the play, but I think I would rather see those CC’s spent on control of the performance fx before editing parameters.

I dont own a Synth, so I can’t chime in much there, but that DWA😎 is lookin good lol I really hope to see this option in the upcoming tracker+/mini firmware release, as well as future play+ releases.

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I’ve posted tons of ideas on here, yet I dont own a Polyend (they make amazing products and I’ve been waiting for 15 years for someone to make a modular like sampler sequencer with synthesis with brilliant workflow and sound and Polyend are so close) so I keep hanging in here but I dont think I should be writing formal wishes.

Are you referring to 30mb (32mb?) Reserved samples?

The lack of tactical hands on editing of the synth engine on the play is the most counter innovative workflow aspect of the unit and I really hope they address this. The Play is close to Greatness.

One thing though in regards to: Tracker vs Play is that TR users seam to be way more productive and creative with it vs what I’ve heard from the Play Heads (?) ..

:white_question_mark:Could because there are a lot more trackers out there? Or the fact that the tracker has a sampler + radio or is there something ‘‘je ne pas quoi’’ quality to the tracker that breathes music better.

The reason I ask is because the Play creative features are bananas, it seams to have all the best offering from the tracker in a free form seq with a lightning fast UI and the variation and pattern chain mode is how I allways dreamt of working with a sequencer /song mode. Its almost a dream product!.. yet Trackers are dominating the music output(?)

Oops! Yeah, I must’ve crossed some wires there lol I read a post from Mitch a while back and thought the limit on CPU had something to do with the memory for samples. Sorry for the confusion.

Here’s the post about the possibility of integrating the PHZ engine to the + series that I got mixed up
(What is the PHZ synth engine? - #18 by Mitch)

So not that the sample memory has to do with the UI, but that the CPU may already be pushed to a threshold, so adding much more to it could take away from the quality of other aspects. It’s just a gut feeling, so I could be wrong all the same. Perhaps @Mitch could chime in on feasibility of your concept? Regardless, that’s why I made the wish for a synth and sample editor that works similar to Novation Components for the circuit tracks and rhythm, seeing as there is inherent need to use a computer to create and edit any samples and that there’s not much of a synth interface to play with.

If i were you, I’d definitely put the idea up as a feature request. It’s well thought out and any improvement to the synth editing UI would make the device 100x better.

The lack of tactical hands on editing of the synth engine on the play is the most counter innovative workflow aspect of the unit and I really hope they address this. The Play is close to Greatness…One thing though in regards to: Tracker vs Play is that TR users seam to be way more productive and creative with it vs what I’ve heard from the Play Heads (?) ..

If any thing, I would say this is why I love composing and designing on my tracker mini over my play+. It feels more complete in its UI, especially in regards to the synth editor pages. I think if Polyend would adopt the synth pages of the Tracker+ UI to the synth pages of the Play+, it’d make them way more fun to tweak and develop my own patches for it. Your idea would take this to a whole new level though and give the play an “analog” feel that would be heaps of fun to use.

Could because there are a lot more trackers out there? Or the fact that the tracker has a sampler + radio or is there something ‘‘je ne pas quoi’’ quality to the tracker that breathes music better.

Well, and this is just my opinion on it having used both the tracker mini and play+ to write multiple songs with, the Play is not a fully standalone device. It begs to be hooked up to a computer for everything that isn’t sequencing, synth editing, or what’s immediately available on the knobs. Which is fine by me, I say they lean into it to be honest. Some proper interface software to let us tweak all the little bells and whistles that Polyend can dream up for the Play without it putting an extra load on the CPU would be magnificent in my book. I realize that’s a big ask, so I’m choosing to be patient and find new ways to utilize my Play+, but it is because of these limitations in it’s workflow that I don’t feel it makes a good leading device and could really do well if Rx’ing CC’s and PC’s were more utilized, allowing us to tap into it’s brain a bit and make it more flexible for different users rigs. This is just how I feel, so I’m interested to see where they take it.

Now, I feel it’s important to mention here that I freakin love my play and still using it as my drum and bass dream machine. Once you have everything in place you’d think it was reading your mind half the time and blowing it the other half lol I don’t know what device on the market out there that can even match its performance fx for the price. It is an absolute beast of a groovebox and I stand beside it all day as is. But, as most things are, there’s plenty of space to improve. I think the the hill to climb for the play+ is deceptively more difficult to climb once you start trying to using it for anything other than a synth and sample-based groovebox, whereas the Tracker UI is more prepared for deeper design and editing options when the need arises in the workflow. Also, the price tag and form factor of the mini could play a huge part of the increased use of it.

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Well referring to direction; I dont mean visually (isn’t it blaspheme in tracker universe :laughing: but your right some of the stuff I mentioned in xoxgrid post are already there and I was excited to know of it, very creative features.

This is very nice to know and it works the same way on the Play which makes it possible to record long or polymeric automations on additional tracks.

I guess the main issue with this is that Polyend only registered automation on ‘‘step on’’ so the automation is stepped (maybe there is a hack by placing silent steps (0 velocity) in between (but thats taxing in a 8track universe) ..

Another issue I have is that slices dont have loop option (very essential to me/ & the MPCs do this in spades) but there workaround ways that can extract slices as instruments. Ill say though if the new DWA engine is implented into the Tracker it will become superb sampler!

I’m hoping we finally see a super sample synth sequencer soon 2025… IMO the OP-XY is stunning in sound and sequencer features, but unless I get one in sponsorship I dont think I can justify the price with those encoders, built quality and its UI format. at $2200 I want a tactical UI with 4x 4 encoders with independent displays and dedicated section buttons. Make it 3x the size and I’ll jump on it. As a buyer I need to feel like I did a satisfactory deal, not a strange ‘‘flashback to a highend stripper joint’’ feeling every time an animation blinks me as cools that is :wink:

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No problem. If there’s one thing I love more than playing with my gear, it’s talking about it😂

Im pretty sure a couple of those workflow wants are already features, too. If its the direction the the tracks flow, you can change it between horizontal, vertical, and vertical revolver directions. Its also possible to sacrifice other steps on the midi side, you’ll just need to add the instrument and 2 fx without the note data. The only fx that can be triggered this way are the panning, tempo, delay and reverb sends, as well as the 6 macros. So while not everything is at your disposal, there’s still plenty to tweak if you need more happening in a single step. I havent tried this with the sample side yet, though. I’m sure you’ll have fun with it once you find a groove with it🤘Happy Tracking!

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wops I owerwrote my reply to you over my previus post . . ohhh welll