I guess the Tracker and Tracker Plus, is more about “How far can you take the Tracker as work-flow concept?”, than “How many synth engines can you kick into the box?”
[I also rather want them to push the CPU on the Tracker Engine, than a Synth-engine]
I was also a bit disappointed, when I was told that the PHZ was a joke to hang on the fridge 
I agree with most of the points you mentioned. To be honest, the launch of Synth caught me by surprise, and while I truly appreciate Polyend’s design aesthetic and workflows over other competitors, this time I feel somewhat disappointed. As a user who purchased Play and later upgraded to Play + without any major observation or criticism, but lot of them were hoping for the updates that ultimately didn’t arrive (soon). Now, we understand the reasons better.
I understand that, as a young company, Polyend must focus on expanding its customer base to meet commercial goals. However, setting aside existing users—especially given the controversy surrounding the launch of Play + —feels like a questionable decision. Observing the workflow of Synth, it’s evident that some of these features, like synthesizers and the arpeggiator, could have been perfectly integrated into Play +. This makes it feel as though Play + isn’t yet a complete product, even though it might not have been Polyend’s goal to develop it further in this way. I don’t quite understand the lack of transparency here.
That said, I have to add that while I’m generally happy with my experience with Play +, I feel that something isn’t quite right in the approach being taken. Comments are already surfacing on social media and forums like Reddit regarding Synth and the handling of Play + users. This indicates that dissatisfaction is growing, and I believe it’s worth taking into account.
For all these reasons, I completely agree with you: there’s no sense in choosing a product solely based on workflow.
That’s totally valid though, I also had the sticker in the box which got me thinking too. Including that sticker in the Tracker+ box probably didn’t do them any favours in terms of expectations…
If you’re referring to me, I asked for WT engine back in June.
And I disagree with you that Polyend products sharing the same synths would make them sound the same. That’s you, as a sound designer and a musician, who make your music sound different. How many instances of DX7 was sold worldwide? I guess a lot, like really a lot. Does that make all music where DX7 was involved sound indistinguishable sound-wise?
I don’t need phase distortion, physical modeling, granular or even sample looping. I only need a wavetable synth. Because I’m able to make my own wavetables with other tools that I have in my arsenal. The way I make my wavetables defines the way my music sound. A guy who owns another Polyend device with the same wavetable engine would craft their own wavetables. There must be freedom for people to be different, there must be freedom for artists to sound different.
I mean you could apply this lens to any product really no? “Wouldn’t it be cool if this thing I have could do what this other thing does, I’m sure they can make it happen…”. That, to me comes down to not buying gear for what it “could” become or what you hope it would be, but for what it is the day you buy it?
Because if you buy it with the attitude of “hopefully I’ll be happy with it in the future” and then get disappointed, it feels weird to be mad at that? If it doesn’t do what you need it to do today, it’s best to either not buy it or wait it out and see if things change down the line? I don’t understand what that has to do with transparency either? Sorry, really not picking a fight, I’m just trying to understand what you mean because it doesn’t make sense to me?
If you say “lot of them were hoping for the updates that ultimately didn’t arrive”, that just sounds like people assumed things and then got disappointed by their own hopes, not any concrete, exact promises? Did Polyend ever promise any of this specifically for the Play+?
The trackers should get it too. The old wavetable engine in the tracker is not quite a proper wt synth. Only one oscilaltor, no interpolation, a so-so filter without key-tracking, limited modulation capabilities, no macros, etc.
The P+ manual states that too.
I get that, but that still doesn’t mean “x is definitely coming to this device”? That’s not a direct, specific promise they made? It doesn’t say “all future engines will definitely be implemented into this device”. It just says, more stuff’s coming in the future? You’re just assuming it’s literally everything new?
I’m sure there’s stuff coming that we don’t even know about and that would be included here, that still counts as “More new synth models…” as the highlight states. That’s pretty clear. I believe there are hardware limitations in terms of what can run which engine etc. So I still don’t see this as worthy of claiming betrayal, lol. I dunno man, this really isn’t a hill I’m going to die on and I don’t want to argue, I just find some people’s reactions to this as pretty irrational.
I’m on this forum a lot. I have no idea what you specifically posted. I was obviously speaking more in general terms. A general sentiment that’s been popping up recently. That’s all, I’m not personally attacking anyone. I’m not even arguing, I’m just curious really.
Of course what you say is correct. I should have been more clear. I don’t think they’ll all sound the same (many, many people just use presets though…which is totally fine, but that would result in similar sounding stuff). Sound design from scratch is obviously a thing. An art in itself. I’m not denying that.
I am just speaking more generally where I feel like you’ve gotten super specific based on just your wish/input/hope or whatever. And I’m not saying “screw you, stick with the rudimentary wavetable synth”, maybe they’ll expand the functionality for your device and that’s great. I’m just saying it doesn’t make sense to me to blur the lines between all their devices too much and to have this assumption that literally everything new should be in every other older product as well, that’s all.
Feel free to disagree. That’s fine 
I get your point and of course I’m not here to fight neither, it was just my opinion from my feelings. And maybe you’re right that it’s better not to buy something only for what it could become. But just out of curiosity, would you buy a chair with only three legs, trusting that they’ll add the fourth one later? Imagine the manufacturer never explicitly promises that fourth leg, but the description hints that it’s “in development" and beyond that, when you are going to buy the 3 legs chair, customer success don’t inform that “hey, maybe you prefer to wait a bit because we are building a 4 legs chair, then you can choose”.
Would you say it’s unfair for buyers who expected a stable chair, or would you think they should just be happy with the idea of “adapting” to the instability, knowing the chair was like that on the day they bought it?
Just questions in the air, not waiting for answers. Have a nice day.
Yeah we definitely promised more synths! I’m not sure which ones would come to + from a technical standpoint right now, I know GRAIN would not be feasible, but in the next weeks I’ll try and do a big QA with all the questions.
That sounds great 
My Kingdom for some level of interpolation on the Wavetable engine.
Has there been generated a wish for this?
