Inverted/negative envelope/LFO values please :)

[ianlary]

What is the problem?

Not a problem but it would be nice to have inverted or negative envelopes and/or LFO values to create more expressive modulation and sample playback

What should this feature achieve?

I think it would enhance the depth of enjoyment and expression for users, vastly improve sound design on the Tracker and attract new users.
I think this feature would fit seamlessly into the current UI as parameters such as TUNE and PAN already operate on a +/- axis’.

Are there any workarounds? There are ways to use the FX lanes to sometimes approximate inverted envelopes but this is limited and less expressive in most instances. There have been happy accidents in attempting to recreate this kind of synthesis via the FX, so that’s cool, however I feel the Tracker would be greatly enhanced by this addition.

Any links to related discussions?

not off hand

Any references to other products?

Inverted modulation values are very common in synthesis, probably more ubiquitous than not.

[dan.lgrnd]

Hey there @ianlary, thanks for the wish!

I’m pretty sure your wish is covered in the two following wishes. Please let me know

Negative amounts for Modulation sources

While it’s standard envelope behavior to be a positive voltage, there are additional possibilities in sound design when you can send a negative voltage from an envelope. For example, if you have a sound being processed with a band or high-pass filter and you want the envelope to reduce the frequency of the filter before returning to it’s default value. As a fun bonus, this would likely mean that you could invert the shape of the LFOs as well. For elaboration: if modulation with a positive amou…

Support for LFO Offsets

LFO Modulation currently doesn’t allow for an offset, this means: If the amount is set to 50 → The modulation will go from 0 to 50 If the amount is set to 10 → It will go from 0 to 10 This proposal suggest a modulation offset which would give you more control within the range that should be modulated. For example: If the amount is set to 50 + the Offset is set to 50 → The modulation will go from 50 to 100. Ideally it could be choosable if it’s a unipolar or bipolar behaviour. What is the p…

[ianlary]

Yes, the first example is the same feature request, glad to see others are also interested in this.

Inverted/negative modulation values are very common across the board in synthesis, one might even consider them to be standard in this day and age, I really hope Polyend will consider adding them as they will slot neatly into the existing UI as TUNE and Pan already operate on a +/- axis.

I know that many tracker users are keen on Drum and Bass production and the most common style of jungle/DnB bass sounds is created by using an inverted envelope- it’s that bass sound that swells open- kind of like a reverse sound on the attack.That’s just one example there are any, many other uses cases for this feature.

Thank you.

[ianlary]

The request for offsets is not the same thing and I noticed the mods pinned this to same link to the other request for inverted modulation as well. Offsets are ways to set the range of modulation so that you can tune your LFO precisely. Offets are also a very common feature in synthesis and really nice to have.

thanks!

[dan.lgrnd]

Thanks for the update. The point to linking the wish regarding offsets was that where you find offsets you usually find attenuation and if your attenuation is bipolar, you can invert your signal.

I’ll mark this as a duplicate. Thanks again!