Sometimes I wonder why they keep making new trackers when the OG is still broken it’s kinda stuck in endless beta….
Any decent sequencer now had trig conditions, it’s so tedious to make a really long evolving sequence, I have to glue together 8x128 beat patterns in song mode!?
If it simply has the power to have polyrhythms (different length tracks in same sequence), this would at least be a work around. Any sequencer worth it’s PCB’s these days can do this. You choose the amount of steps AND beats per bar. Trig conditions plus polyrhythms would make this the perfect sequencer.
Also: the performance mode is not easy or logical to use.
I cannot send midi to my synth and record that, it’s only sampling or rendering.
You cannot copy and paste note information from a sample instrument to midi
It’s not easy to quicky navigate between the samples tracks and the 4 midi tracks.
I cannot simply delete or duplicate or find an already used sample!? (Maybe use the delete /copy keys to delete/copy/paste stuff universally?)
There are more glaringly obviously missing things such as I cannot adjust the sensitivity when beat chopping (every sampler in the know universe has this). And bugs that have been around since it was created and still not addressed. Considering it’s a team of people in an international company you would think they would simply fix / add them.
I can see why the used market is filled with them, it’s not the flawed encoder, or that it’s a bad idea, it’s just not finished!
It’s so close to being perfect!
I’m gonna buy a Dirtywave M8, hardware made by one man that does everything the polyend can’t. Which also makes no sense…
Yeah perhaps we have a different way to defining broken. I see some feature requests, I see you expressing some frustrations. I see 1 bug with a very easy workaround. I see nothing broken.
I assure you from 2020, I could name 10x the amount of sequencers that didn’t have trig conditions compared to those that did It’s a “nice to have” feature request, nothing broken
ditto my previous statement. Personally, I’m with you. The one thing I would like the most on the tracker is independant track lengths in a pattern. Regardless, it’s a nice to have feature request, nothing broken
This most likely is a bug (thanks for reporting it), but the easy workaround is to duplicate a sample-track, select the Instrument lane, and change it to a midi channel.
Hey man, you have every right to have an opinion, but that’s a far-cry from something being broken.
You’re going to be equally disappointed with the M8 Again, nothing broken.
For every Tracker on the used market, there are about 20 Elektron devices. A device that sells a lot at retail = you’ll see more of them on the used market. Of course there is also a flood of OG’s on the market since the plus came out. Nothing broken here either.
You are going to buy the M8 because it does some things you wished the Polyend Tracker did. After a week or 2 you might then realize the things the Polyend Tracker does that the M8 simply doesn’t do, and you’ll likely be in the same spot as you are now. Don’t get me wrong, the M8 is a great Tracker, very deep and super fun but you really have to be willing to learn and go down a rabbit hole. It’s very deep and challenging to program, but if you put your time and energy into it, you will be well rewarded.
I do feel like they’ve left it alone quite a bit, it’s had these bugs for years. They seem more focused on making more and more trackers and products instead of supporting the trackers.
I misread some information about the conditional triggers being available on the tracker, it was apparently about the play/synth line. Which have very good sophisticated conditional triggers, so it seems strange those are not available on the Tracker.
It’s really fiddly and complicated to make the kind of long evolving melodic sequence I want. I have to physically switch between 4 different patterns each time a pattern is nearing it’s end.
Even the Liven series by Sonicware and the Novation Circuit line gets around this by enabling the length of a track to be edited, the beats per bar…
Anyway I just feel it’s such a good piece of hardware ware and software in so many ways it’s literally got me back into making music. But I feel huge gaps for what I want to achieve and the answer on the tracker is complex.
Man, never be sorry for feeling frustrated. If something frustrates you, so be it! Let us know what frustrates you. We just ask that you don’t get frustrated with us. We volunteer our free time to moderate and help the community. I also get the impression that people engage with post much more when they are constructive and are solution-orientated.
I’m going to repeat myself probably for the 3rd time (on backstage, not to you personally). The Tracker seems to have this special charm where people are very passionate about it. Passion has great and “slightly less great” effects. People tend to get very emotional about it. I think everyone has this feeling of the “glaringly obvious” thing it is missing, but many people have a different take on what that one missing thing is.
It’s easy to get our heads wrapped up in what’s missing, but I do suggest sometimes to take a step back. Look at this device from a 2020 POV. It does so so much at a decent price and was a very niche product at it’s time. As someone who is not really a tracker guy, this will be one of my desert island devices just because it’s standalone endless fun in my world.
We encourage anyone and everyone to make feature requests if there are things you’d like to see added. It’s a backbone to all of the improvements we’ve seen in the firmware over the years. Polyrhythmic Tracks in a pattern is the one thing I’d love to see more than anything else, but that’s just me (apparently us ).
Moving on, I don’t think your OP was inappropriate. There was just enough exaggeration/hyperbole to where as a Moderator I do feel it’s my duty to step in and bring things a bit closer to reality for the community in case new people read and take things word for word. If ever my tone was a bit too dry, I do apologize. I was trying my best to be friendly but stick to facts.
This is the kind of insight that gets a good conversation going
Would love to understand more your workflow and where the issues come up.
Hate to break up your prom night here girls … but out of curiosity if the thread starter has experiences with elektrons ‘‘ mentioning trigger cond and polymetrics’’ why isn’t he using them? Yet instead he’s here complaining about a tracker … duuduuunnn..
Just for my own personal perspective /as someone who is about to jump on team Tonverk, is it the workflow as DT and tracker are quite on par sound wise IMO: DT haveing an edge on filters maybe, but the over all airyness of the sound goes to the Tracker (DT is very precice (envelopes /timing eztc) , never geled with the DT sound but the Tv is on another level!
cheers! as I throw tampons in the air and do a little head swing so the hair swifts from face ..
I mean I want a phrase that is 128 beats alternating between pattern 3 and 4 but every 4th pattern it uses pattern 5 as a bridge/fill.
Patterns like this order repeated:
3-4-3-5
Obviously having the ability to have one pattern 512 beats long would allow a long evolving change in melody I want.
When I’m playing I can manually do that or I can do it in song mode. Neither is ideal.
I wish I could loop a section of patterns in song mode then it would allow “gluing” multi patterns in any order and having it repeating.
I guess the answer is just to use song mode and start constructing the structure of the song earlier.
PS. I also agree with the tracker being pretty hard to replace now I have got into it. I guess that’s why I got frustrated. Cuz I don’t wanna have to buy something else to fill the gaps ..
Mocking people because they have emotions or frustrations and communicate it.
Anyway I found it funny I get it..
I tried the elektron work flow for years. I had the digitone and digitakt and just never wanted to use them, it’s a very mechanical work flow, it feels like I’m using a type writer to make music. I’m sure if all I had was elektron and was on a desert island I would eventually get into it. I really tried and always feel stupid for not getting into it. I never wrote any music with them, the tracker I have made some of the best stuff I ever have imo. I just need to adjust my work flow I guess.
The tonverk looks amazing man! One thing that annoys me about elektron is they deliberately hold back on really essential features to force you to have multiple units to get simple things that should all be on any decent tracker.
Digitakt cannot beat slice which is incredibly frustrating imo. It’s a “drum” computer !? So you have to buy the octatrak for that privilege. But then neither of them do polyphonic playing so now you have to pay for a tonverk and that is missing many features a sampler should have.
Really to have one complete sampler with the elektron stuff you need the two most expensive ones (tonverk and octatrak).
It’s funny when a simple sonicware liven or Roland p6 does all those things very well and they’re literally the cheapest samplers on the market (I really love them both and miss them).
Ok bro I hope they weren’t used tampons
I hope you enjoy the combination of the tracker and tonverk seems a very deep combo.
‘‘ never did anything with elektrons vs my best work is on the tracker ‘‘
FYI the org DT did get grid chopping update and a 2nd LFO before DT2 arrived and I believe it’s coming to the TV aswell. Just as the DN&DT2 will get their own updates (but these units are mostly complete) ..
on the flip side Polyend holds out on synth engines on all 4 of their products even though they are based on the same synth code ..
With all due respectis complete nonsense business wise none is going to buy the play just for the dirt engine or the synth just for dwa engine … sure there are a few collect them all Pokémons buyers but they could likely bump their overall sales by 15-25% by allowing all engines on all platform, simply by the content advertisement that follows by users .. But yet your not holding that against them .. But Elektron somehow is the sinner
The TV is a new board for Elektron, they are re-coding everything to that platform, Im sure once it matures we’ll see an Oktatrack 3 running a very similar OS but in its track format, dont think they or anyone can continue holding out on features. with AI coding and uber cool realest this year ..
I honestly cheer for Polyend, love their taste in synth & the UI choices (although the P+ could have had a bit more foresight) ..
PS none was mocking anyone .. if your balls have dropped .. Take it as a masculine joke .. if you need to add toxicity to it then end your post with a used tampon line
I don’t want to get into any sort of drama because Polyend is also a small company and I think they build some really nice products for a good value, but I do have to give a nod to the M8’s software side and their continual and rapid development of new features, which I wish I saw more in other companies. I do wish the Poylend Tracker hardware had more of the M8’s software side (not necessarily workflow, because the two are very different, but just the philosophy of continual development). Because going hard against the M8 is its very limited buttons, memory, CPU, and the required memorization of dozens to hundreds of different button combos, all of which makes using the M8 kind of a drag. A fusion of the two products would be my personal ideal.
It just feels like they can’t be bothered to add these much needed features to the tracker, it’s just kinda disappointing. Cuz it’s very simple things that don’t need more dsp or anything.
The M8 seems the logical alternative but as you and others have said there are major growing pains to make the switch.
Ever bin in a locker Room, at boot camp, in the army anywhere where we men take shoots in a fun way at eachother… get over your emotional state and dont twist my intentions to suit your narrative
you can read ..
no ill intention is here .. Only your bad reception..
Look. Maybe the author is bit emotional, but I guess he express quite popular opinion (just look at Reddit etc ) - less new devices, but working firmware for current!
Everyone like the tracker as a device, idea and concept, but we’d like it to get new functions and finally get fixed numerous bugs, that keep going for years. And yeah, thats why it looks very odd when we see number of new devices, but still no fix with performance - song mode switching, lfo bug, etc.
I understand that you need some fresh vslue of buyers, so Id be ready to pay for some significant firmware update, despite it not a popular idea, i guess. But i would agree with it, just to have tracker working and progressing.
It’s not funny mate it comes across as ignorant and hostile and like you don’t understand how human emotions work. 1955 called and they want their joke back.
You’re also gone completely off the topic of the thread immediately being weird.
It is frustrating to have no support for the tracker for years, that’s all.
Yeah I heard someone else say the same thing on Reddit, they didn’t like that there appears to be no development going on, bugs have been around for years and not addressed (pasting notes information from sampler instrument to midi instrument seems very basic to fix).
I feel if they showed more support it would make it even more popular. Many people now require trig conditions and polyrhythms and even a cheap sonicware liven has the polyrhythms. Even the Roland p6 has trig conditions.
It’s a weird way to do business have a forum that barely any of the consumers of your product will join and use that as market research as to what to fix or add to an update. Just fix the bugs and add those obvious features, just do it lol…
I didnt even mention how it can become super unstable, crash and you ose everything you were working on…
I was actually going to upgrade to the tracker plus but instead opted for an M8 headless for like $40 and usbed to the apple mac.
M8 is an amazing tracker, could be the best tracker ever made and for me personally it is prefect for sound design.There are a ton of sample looping options. I’m looking forward to setting up the m8 with a temu brick and then with the polyend tracker as a tracker combo.
Given how advanced, far out and how well supported the M8 is, I can see why polyend tracker users are a little bit pissed off.
It’s a “nice to have” feature request, nothing broken
Again, nothing broken.
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