# Tracker Song mode improvements **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Tags:** tracker, duplicate\ **Created:** [September 4, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773 "2023-09-04T14:33:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/22 "2023-09-07T21:15:06Z")
You should really add all this to the original post on top ☝ . (You can edit it in case you didn’t know 😉 ). Wishlist Entries are like Wiki’s and can be edited by everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2023, 9:37am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/23 "2023-09-11T09:37:24Z")
Just a quick reminder! 🔖 Please update the Wish (first post) with all the new Detail. Thank you 😊 ---
**Author:** ![cc960370ac1a421f98df](https://backstage.polyend.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/ed8c4c/32.png) [@cc960370ac1a421f98df](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/cc960370ac1a421f98df)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 2:14pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/24 "2023-09-14T14:14:23Z")
It’s honestly a missed opportunity Trackers don’t play better together and the situation could be improved by 1. sending and receiving Song Position Pointer (SPP) over MIDI and 2. the possibility to edit inactive patterns during playback. I could easily see myself purchasing even more Polyend products if synchronicity between devices was improved. ---
**Author:** ![Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ce73a5/32.png) [@Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Akiko)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/25 "2023-09-14T15:27:00Z")
It should be possible to mute and unmute tracks on a ‘per-slot-basis’. The pads could be used for this. Like this you could do a lot of arrangement choices in song mode with just building up on one pattern. That would be awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/26 "2023-09-14T15:30:44Z")
I’m going to remind everyone @here again 😊 Everyone is able and allowed to update/edit this wish (in the first post) with the current state of things. Honestly at this point i am very confused what y’all want 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ce73a5/32.png) [@Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Akiko)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/27 "2023-09-14T15:33:02Z")
We want everything and we want it now! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ce73a5/32.png) [@Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Akiko)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 10:37am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/28 "2023-09-17T10:37:30Z")
Question: if I use the delete function on one Pattern in a slot, it deletes that track on all Patterns with the same number throughout the whole song. Is this correct? If it is… why? Does not make a lot of sense to me. If it would not do that, you really could do a lot more arranging jobs in song mode by changing one specific pattern by just deleting tracks in some slots. ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 10:49am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/29 "2023-09-17T10:49:21Z")
> [@Akiko](#): > > Is this correct? In Song Mode, you are referencing a specific pattern. It’s not a copy or duplicate. All edits happen on the actual pattern. So if you use the same pattern multiple times and you edit something on it, of course it will affect every reference of it. This is a very normal tracker workflow, found across every tracker program i know of since the dawn of trackers. 😊 If you need to create a variation of a pattern, just copy it and do your changes on the copy. ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 10:50am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/30 "2023-09-17T10:50:23Z")
I see nobody has edited the original post yet. Is there no consensus on what this wish should actually represent yet? As i said, i’m actually kinda lost at this point what the wish should be. So… HELP 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ce73a5/32.png) [@Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Akiko)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 10:50am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/31 "2023-09-17T10:50:38Z")
I edited it. ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 10:53am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/32 "2023-09-17T10:53:01Z")
Thank you @Akiko ❤ , i’m also curious what @paul-8189 has to say, since he created a ton of images that are yet to be part of the original wish post (or atleast referenced). ---
**Author:** ![Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ce73a5/32.png) [@Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Akiko)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 10:55am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/33 "2023-09-17T10:55:13Z")
Sure, that’s how it should be. I got that. 😊 I was hoping that Song Mode would just be different in that sense, that it would not really ‘delete’ it, just kind of ‘hide it’ (on a slot to slot basis). That’s why I suggested the mute function (on a slot to slot basis). 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 10:56am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/34 "2023-09-17T10:56:36Z")
> [@Akiko](#): > > That’s why I suggested the mute function (on a slot to slot basis). 😅 yeeeeah.. about that: > [@Possibility to mute cells in Song mode](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/possibility-to-mute-cells-in-song-mode/1542): > > What is the problem? When you are in Song mode, your options programming slots or tracks are binary: either you have an active cell or no cell at all. You can only delete, and the changes are destructive (although Undo is possible). What do you want to achieve? A more flexible Sing mode setup thanks to the possibility to mute and unmute cells in Song mode. It would be great because if you have 8 tracks filled with notes, you can mute and unmute them in the Song mode. This would open a lot of … ---
**Author:** ![Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ce73a5/32.png) [@Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Akiko)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 12:08pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/35 "2023-09-17T12:08:01Z")
Yes, exactly! 😉 It does not sound impossible to maybe implement that idea. You can mute and unmute tracks in Performance and Pattern mode. It would just kind of be ‘automated’ (= programmed) in Song Mode - instead of ‘performed’ in the other modes. ---
**Author:** ![paul-8189](https://backstage.polyend.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@paul-8189](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/paul-8189)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/36 "2023-09-17T14:49:50Z")
Not I. I just added a potential quick and dirty solution. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/37 "2023-09-17T14:54:02Z")
Ah you are right it was @mrgum6y who started all of this 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 10:23am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/39 "2023-09-21T10:23:56Z")
I’m going to auto close this with a timer of 4 days, unless the original post gets updated with a fresh or updated proposal for this wish. If this doesn’t happen i invite you all to create a new wish. I feel like this wish has gotten a bit out of hand and no one is quite clear of what they want or what this wish is/was supposed to be. If you think i’m wrong, please update it and i’ll gladly reopen it 😆 😊 ---
**Author:** ![srmaietta](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/srmaietta/32/1709_2.png) [@srmaietta](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/srmaietta)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 11:50am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/40 "2023-09-21T11:50:50Z")
It reads to me that there are two main desires here 1- the ability to set/plan track mutes in each slot. This could be integrated into the current song mode UI pretty seamlessly. I’m all for this. Would very much open up the ability to create progressions without having to copy patterns endlessly. 2- the creation of a whole new second type of song mode, more performance based “Jam mode” which allows much more programming of pattern variations, fluid slot progression, etc. this would require a new UI (the pics posted above). This sounds cool -as long as the current simple and effective song mode stays in tact! ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 12:03pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/41 "2023-09-21T12:03:00Z")
The first one i can already tell you is not going to happen since a similar request has already been declined. See: > [@Add mutes on song page without editing them into a pattern](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/add-mutes-on-song-page-without-editing-them-into-a-pattern/4433): > > What is the problem? Often the only thing changing between one pattern in song mode and the next is the status of track mutes. The Elektron song mode allows the user to edit track mutes for a song mode slot independently from the mute states in the pattern which the song page slot is referencing. What do you want to achieve? Avoid creating redundant patterns simply to mute or unmute channels in a song. Are there any workarounds? No. Any links to related discussions? No. Any references to ot… The second one is (atleast in my opinion) what this request should focus on, but i honestly have lost track of the state of this, hence me requesting the original author and others to maybe find a consesus 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ce73a5/32.png) [@Akiko](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Akiko)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 12:07pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773/42 "2023-09-21T12:07:43Z")
Yeah, they talk about taking song mode in ‘another direction’. It would be interesting to know what that means and which direction tha5 is. 😉 [Previous page](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773.md?page=1) [Next page](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-song-mode-improvements/4773.md?page=3)