# Tracker Mini Keyboard : using + and - to enter keystrokes **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Tags:** tracker, mini, duplicate\ **Created:** [September 22, 2023, 1:06am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-mini-keyboard-using-and-to-enter-keystrokes/5439 "2023-09-22T01:06:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Aisjam](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/aisjam/32/120_2.png) [@Aisjam](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Aisjam)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 1:06am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-mini-keyboard-using-and-to-enter-keystrokes/5439/1 "2023-09-22T01:06:56Z")
Noting that the Center button on the directional pad to enter the notes, I would like to use both thumbs 🙂. I would like to see the Big + for a Capital, small + for lowercase and both the big and small - as a backspace. ### What is the problem? my left thumb is well used from move, strafe.it needs a rest making music 😛 . ### What do you want to achieve? Use the right thumb to speed up naming things Big + for a Capital Small + for lowercase both the big and small - as a backspace. ### Are there any workarounds? the current method of using the centre button to select on the keyboard. ### Any references to other products? Naming on a Gameboy by Dpad and A to add letter and B to backspace. ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 8:50am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-mini-keyboard-using-and-to-enter-keystrokes/5439/2 "2023-09-22T08:50:26Z")
Hey @Aisjam , there is already a wish for improvements on the keyboard UI. Check this out: > [@Naming / Renaming UX Improvements](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/naming-renaming-ux-improvements/4369): > > Improve the text entry in the Keyboard-View when naming / renaming things, by using the Tracker Mini’s new Button-Layout more efficiently. What is the problem? To use uppercase characters, you have to navigate to Caps Lock at the moment, then to the letter and then back to Caps Lock to disable it. The Shift button does not do what you naturally would expect. To move left / right within the text you have to move all the way to the top to focus on the textfield. What do you want to achieve? U… Let me know if: - you can get behind the existing proposal - or if we want to combine efforts 😉 - or if you would like to continue with yours Cheers 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Aisjam](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/aisjam/32/120_2.png) [@Aisjam](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Aisjam)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 1:21am UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-mini-keyboard-using-and-to-enter-keystrokes/5439/4 "2023-09-25T01:21:58Z")
I spent a good amount of time trying to make sure double up on threads. I feel there is a discussion here 🙂 . ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 1:25pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-mini-keyboard-using-and-to-enter-keystrokes/5439/5 "2023-09-25T13:25:19Z")
I think the big difference between your and my idea is how we use the +/- Buttons. - i would like to see the `Shift` button definitely to be used for a uppercase/lowercase modifier. - small `+/-` as arrow replacements to move forward/backwards in the text - big `-` as a backspace would make sense to me. What we haven’t considered using are the screen buttons underneath the screen, maybe those could be useful as well? What ya think @Aisjam , think we can come to a compromise? 😆 Or should we extend my wish to maybe have two different Mapping Options? ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-mini-keyboard-using-and-to-enter-keystrokes/5439/6 "2023-10-02T21:34:26Z")
Hey @Aisjam , haven’t heard back from you 😘 , whatcha think about my previous message? ---
**Author:** ![Aisjam](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/aisjam/32/120_2.png) [@Aisjam](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Aisjam)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 11:26pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-mini-keyboard-using-and-to-enter-keystrokes/5439/7 "2023-10-05T23:26:50Z")
I can see your point there and yeah that’s really the only difference is the + and - use. I like the use of shift for capslock, and there is space for functions using the 8 buttons up the top. My reasoning for the + and - is from lsdj and console inputs with entering text as I do get my thumbs tied on the tracker mini (getting less now). Do think we should join these threads so not to double up with threads and feel this is a good improvement. My main point is to give the right thumb more to do like Space, Move Forward/ Backwards, Caplock, and some other good naming functions. Would like more people to chime in with their 2 cents too. Also sorry for not responding sooner. Life gets busy. ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-mini-keyboard-using-and-to-enter-keystrokes/5439/8 "2023-10-08T20:11:13Z")
> [@Aisjam](#): > > Also sorry for not responding sooner. Life gets busy. it’s all good, i’ll just keep poking (out of love of course) 😊. I’ll close this wish then in favor of the existing one, but i’ll change the behaviour of the +/- Buttons to what we have discussed. If anyone else would like to chime in as well, please do so on the existing wish here: > [@Naming / Renaming UX Improvements](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/naming-renaming-ux-improvements/4369): > > Improve the text entry in the Keyboard-View when naming / renaming things, by using the Tracker Mini’s new Button-Layout more efficiently. What is the problem? To use uppercase characters, you have to navigate to Caps Lock at the moment, then to the letter and then back to Caps Lock to disable it. The Shift button does not do what you naturally would expect. To move left / right within the text you have to move all the way to the top to focus on the textfield. What do you want to achieve? U… ---
**Author:** ![Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/user_avatar/backstage.polyend.com/sandroid/32/172_2.png) [@Sandroid](https://backstage.polyend.com/u/Sandroid)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://backstage.polyend.com/t/tracker-mini-keyboard-using-and-to-enter-keystrokes/5439/9 "2023-10-08T20:11:22Z")